roflmfao.
Nice Answer
Regards
I\'ve been holding off on this thread.... or was it that thread lol
Why do people think that aviation is an area which should be open to the masses
I would pose the inverse question; why is it NOT be an area open to the masses? Are you keeping some dark secret that you don\'t want any of us to know about? Is working in the aviation industry the panacea to all ills and the supplier of life everlasting?
001\'s original question, while possibly having the ability to be construed as naive, did have some merit.
The position of ranting from the standpoint of \'thats the way it is\' is not argument, just pure belligerance.
I will agree that some of his allusions were what could be best described as futile or simplistic and may well have deserved some gentle ribbing, but that does not detract from the fact that his questions were only truly addressed by PPrune Radar in the direct referral to NATs agreements with local service providors.
Actually, as an interested ATC onlooker, who incidently (directed towards Lonmore) does not own, let alone keep records within, a \'black book\' lol...., it has been disheartening to see the exclusionistic culture that some of you guys seem to wish to maintain to protect your profession.
The provision of live Internet Data feeds, which is a far cry from allowing ATC transmissions to be legally received, is something that even I, as a mere pleb, would feel nervous about for various reasons, some of which have been mentioned within the thread. That\'s even leaving aside for the moment the technical and financial considerations that have been raised.
The general consensus seems to be that the current Wireless Telegraphy Act is paid no more than lip-service in respect to ATC communications; to my mind quite rightly. If the spirit of the law (ie: the non-onward transmission or reporting of such communication) is maintained then the letter would appear to be as intact as is required, while allowing those that may wish to maybe learn and appreciate a small fraction of what you guys do every day the opportunity to do so.
I fail to understand why, with the exception of the misreporting in the media aspects, you seem to be almost universal in your condemnation when any \'outsider\' even so much as hints that they may have overheard any RT.
It is no great secret WHERE or WHEN most airliners fly and the fact of knowing that a certain arrival is to be, for instance, "FL130 by The Bottom Of My Garden" to me seems irrelevant, since, if I were of \'that\' frame of mind, I could be at my desk with my RPG and could take my pick; a terrorist does not care of the nationality of victims, unless a specific target is in mind, and with that exception the act in itself it is purely a matter of media coverage and \'terror-perpetuation\'. Unless all ATC RT communications are encrypted somehow then the bad-guys will always be able to snoop; drawing their own conclusions from the, as pointed out by yourselves, incomplete data and information that is available over the airwaves as well as their own via on-the-spot observation.
As other posters have implied, the media seems to be responsible for at least some of this attitude. Their (\'the media\'; in case you weren\'t sure lol) irresponsible and inaccurate reporting is just laughable in general not just when considered in relation to the aviation industry; maybe it\'s because their next-best story is some B-List f**k-wit shagging another B-list f**k-wit; sad to say but the state of the UK news media, and TV in general, is pretty much summed up by the term \'bottom-feeders\'. It doesn\'t mean that we all have to either pander to their whims or give-in to their brain-addled paranoia or sensationalism; it also means that we don\'t have to believe the rubbish they can spout either.
I\'m too old to get behind a live \'scope so it matters not to me but I think you should be a little less \'spiky\' when certain topics appear that are patently initiated by those that are NOT within your \'community\'.
I\'m afraid that outsiders will post, unless you get Danny to make the ATC forum, or even dare I say the whole of PPRuNe, a private forum accessible only by submitting your NATS/Airline/HAL/etc employee ID number. And what a sad day that would be; for all of \'you\' as well as all of \'us\'
