Bit of a red herring going on here. Sure PS was a gent and a real people person. Sure I miss his cocktail parties and such. However, who employed RE and BS to start the 'new way', who was Chairman at the time and for a long time after? I am with HFX on this one, there is bu..er all difference between the middle and senior level managers then and now, they all just do as they are told. IM less then HO it was the AOA who changed tactics not FOPS management.