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Old 11th May 2005 | 20:45
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Gary Lager
 
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Journeymen have a right to get righteous - they do the job, and they are not obliged to answer ANY question you put to them. Many have tried so far, out of courtesy and because that's what it's all about - for many of us, and not just on PPRuNe, but in real life.

But BAW001, you continue to use sarcasm, critcising people for disagreeing with you and calling into doubt their credentials to 'answer the question', while it seems your own are beyond doubt. You are winding up a lot of people in an industry which you ought to be able to get along with, and who ought to be able to get along with you.

To those of you that ATC for real, this probably looks like your worst nightmare. It may well be, although for training purposes, the thought of using internet virtual flyers, if they know what they are doing, might add some realism to the scenarios.
There are already people employed at both LTCC and LACC to provide this service to ATCOs under recurrent and initial training- many are there because they have an enthusiasm for aviation and the ATC system which they enjoy putting into practice rather than whinging on PPRuNe.

If some nasties are intent on doing harm, would not having this sort of thing really stop them?
No, but I don't see why anyone should make it easier for them!

I’m just supposing it might prove comforting to them to be able to type in a flight number online and know that flight ‘abc’ was currently happily cruising at x over y on its why to z
..And what if it wasn't? 'Family sues airline/NATS for trauma experienced when they heard aircraft annoucing "diversion" and "fuel" and "catering problems" ' It's bad enough we have to let the general public vote!

Businesses would even by able to chart the progress of freighter a/c carrying important cargo.
I don't think you need to know how far over the Atlantic your parcel is, just when it's going to arrive - which is already catered for without live ATC feeds.

More for community awareness of flight paths and such, which isn't a bad idea. Maybe for community relations it wouldn't be a bad idea for places like STN or LHR.
Fair idea - but that info is, again, available without providing LIVE ATC information. Anyway, I once read an article (I swear to God) in the Richmond, Twickenham & Teddington Gazette complaining at LHR ATC because 77% of approaches were made 'from the east, over the boroughs of Richmond [etc]...', any real ATCOs/Pilots can hopefully see the two major problems with this complaint - beware!

BAW 001 uses lots of words like "probably wouldn't affect security" and "wouldn't affect security very much" - well I'd rather it didn't affect it AT ALL, thanks very much.

Bolleaux to the public. If they want to influence how the professionals do the job, the queue for your ATPL exams is there and the NATS application form is in the post. And we'll call you in 5 years...
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