Alf5071h (A bit of an eyeful that username -any chance of shortening it to just Alf?)
____________________________________________________ The current techniques for upset recovery focus on the avoidance of rudder to pick up a wing, thus the aileron input. This also dispels the myth that rudder was the only way to pick up a wing after a stall.
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I don't recall having seen or read of using rudder to "pick up a wing" during UA recovery. In the GA world of instructing the term "pick up the wing with rudder" where a wing drop had occurred at the point of stall, was a common misconception. It really meant that further yaw from the wing drop at the stall should be prevented by appropriate rudder while of course the wings are levelled by use of aileron.
Reagarding the "Good grief" gasps of disbelief, it is quite common for pilots undergoing type rating training in a simulator on their first jet transport eg B737, to have never seen a severe unusual attitude until having it demonstrated by the simulator instructor.
Although UA training is normally undertaken during CPL or training for an instrument rating in general aviation light aircraft, clearly there is a limit in terms of commonsense flight safety how far the instructor should go in a real aeroplane. In any case, that sort of real aircraft training is done in VMC and although theoretically "under the hood", often it is all too easy to peek outside. Unless as part of aerobatics, UA recovery training is therefore limited in it's application
In a flight simulator where UA recovery practice is done in virtual night IMC, and until they get the hang of it, frequently pilots will lose many thousands of feet and build up huge knots while attempting recovery. Unless the recovery is from an extreme nose high slow speed attitude, rudder should never come into it - and then only to get the nose down to the horizon.