From Dictionary.com.
Engineer:
1. One who is trained or professionally engaged in a branch of engineering.
2. One who operates an engine.
3. One who skillfully or shrewdly manages an enterprise.
So from this we are covered by no 1 and the pilots can be called engineers (air) as covered by no 2 cos thats all they do now.
And while we're on the subject the managers are covered by no 3, so everyone can be called engineers, degree or not, that'll stop the argueing.
[This message has been edited by SEWER RAT (edited 09 March 2001).]