Thank you...where's "Old china Driver" when we need him....so the moral of the story is...look after yourselves...because nobody else will.......the proof is in the pudding...ALPA, and now IFALPA and their recruitment ban...... I lost twice twice...CO 1983 as a "probationary second officer" no strike or voting priviledges, and again at Eastern...1988...same position....bad luck I suppose...no not entirely..got a widebody command now and very happy...so life is what u make it....and UNIONS???? good thing...just make them put their money where their mouth is....