Nomad, at the famous meeting in Oct 2000 the pay question was asked of MF and TC. The answers then were baseless rhetoric. One of the more senior captains ended up having to cool his heels after expressing frustration with the answers. Do you expect that anybody is going to risk a disciplinary hearing, with loss of two years profit share, by asking that question in front of the world's press? And we all know what the answer would be - precisely what you have written in your post, though one would hope that the bosses would not be quite so blunt!