In a slightly different thread, an ariline recently sold off it's flight training facility including the simulater. It used to cost the airline about £90 per hour for crew training, but now it costs £300. But the airline doesn't have the bother of having a costly simulater that managers cannot play with because they arn't trained. There are several knock-on effects. Hotel bills, engineers needing simulater training before carrying out power runs, more hotel bills, transport to LHR, if a slot is missed then the airline pays, yet more hotel bills. But so the accountants tell us, it is cheaper to farm stuff out and buy your services in. I have never heard so much rubbish in my life. It wasn't just the anonymous airline that used it's simulater. Regularly other smaller operaters used to least it, and that generated income to the airline. Yet more examples of managers listening to consultants who know nothing about the airline business.