Ipanema,you may have been misled by the rantings of 411a etc. The union is not the guilty party here. The only way for this dispute to end, or at least for some normality to return is for the management to either take one of the numerous outs offered to it by the HKAOA,or come up with some sort of face saving formula itself. The dispute has now reached the stage where only the lawyers (in the High Court in London) are winning. Most, if not all the 48 left would accept a properly constituted redundancy deal as indeed offered company wide a few months before this all started. For those thinking of joining the ban, and I accept we all have mouths tofeed and toys to buy.......wait until you are in a crewroom (as I have been), watching survivors of the Oz 89 dispute toasting each other due to news of one of the scabs spearing in in a lighty.....then you realise how long your name will be remembered! <img src="mad.gif" border="0"> <img src="eek.gif" border="0"> <img src="mad.gif" border="0">