...slow down chaps....!!!!? Well,....er, yes, that philosophy has done us REALLY well the past 8 years HASN'T it BusAce...?? I despair at the fact that people such as yourself are seemingly incapable of standing up for what is right. We have been subject to tyranny for almost a decade now. What part of 'professionalism' is bending over and continuing to have pineapples shoved up our as-es..? It doesn't take much imagination to figure out what nationality you are.....or what you did back in 99. As for your statement that pilots at Quantas, BA etc make less. Haven't you read a SINGLE one of the AOA's newsletters, that spell out in plain black and white just how far behind those VERY airlines you quote we are falling behind. When you consider salary, pension and other benefits, we are woefully underpaid.....and i'm comparing A-scale here, not to mention how pathetic the B-scale comparison is! You really are a sad example of character and fortitude. We have been patient for far too long with this management. They have taken us for fools for nearly 10 years. It will stop now. If you wish to live your life as a 'vassel servant' to the likes of KB and TT....well, be my guest. In your frightened efforts to preserve what you have, you can be certain of losing it in the end. Just look at all the recent examples of aircrew bodies that have stuck together and achieved substantial improvements to their conditions. HOW do you think we will attain any of that with the attitude you display? Pathetic. Develop some backbone, because your ilk had your 'hall pass' stamped back in 99. I offer nothing but contempt for those who will do nothing for the profession, their colleagues, or indeed their own families. To lie down and allow the travesties of the past 8 years to continue would be unconsionable. We deserve better....from our management, and CERTAINLY from our own colleagues. Try to imagine what our working conditions, pay and benefits will be like in say....5 years time if this management is allowed to continue to treat us with the contempt they have shown since 93...? No, I didn't think so. Grow up, and stand up.