Wishtobeapilot, thank you for your considered reply. I agree that a full effort is necessary to blunt the managements 'Goebells' like tactics. My underlying thought is one of calm confidence however. The reason for this is the knowledge that if the only way the company has got to fight is through the gratuitous use of lies and distortion, then their case is a weak one, and their efforts will eventualy lead to failure. It is worth remembering that during the 99' dispute, the Press began by giving the pilots a very hard and unfair hearing. By the end of the dispute, the company was recieving the negative press. The longer this dispute goes on, the more eventuality that the Press will begin to show a desire to uncover the 'facts' about our position, and start to ask CX management some hard questions. I don't think the HK Press enjoys being taken for a fool by CX management anymore than we do. As for the 3 million dollar sum, I have been here 15 years, and my earnings the past 12 months have been 1.68 mill. A far cry from 3 million. It is worth noting that a comparable pilot at United Airlines would be on a salary of 2.8 mill hkd, NOT to mention his pension plan (I don't have one...) which would pay him a value of over 5 million USD...!! The sick thing about the 3 million claim is that the ONLY 3 pilots in the company who recieve anywhere near that are in fact the very same management pilots who are orchestrating the attack on the rest of us. The immorality of what they are doing (and especially the likes of the mouthpiece Tony Tyger) is breathtaking. In the end the truth will prevail, and these men will be held to account for driving a once well run and happy company into the ground. All we want is to be accorded a modicum of respect and professional courtesy.