Snake,
Sorry to drag you back into the debate. My understanding of the data issue is that the AOA does indeed have their own data and that data indicates the deal the company is promoting is very poor (essentially a lot more work compressed into a short time, normally holiday periods, for not a lot of money). When challenged, the company's response is that their data (re:hours/overtime) indicates otherwise; so why don't they show the data and sell the deal?
Whilst we all agree this matter will be settled at the table, even if one side has clearly lost; you say abandon the LIA and come to the table. Why do you think the company will then wish to negotiate? Surely they will say we have the AOA beat, they have pay where they want it (linked to productivity) roster/work practices contolled solely by them, and no prospect of any further industrial disruption; why make any concessions?
After July 1999 no pilot is under any illusions as to the resolve of the shareholders. We know they were about 72 hours away from shutting down the airline and if pushed, and they are being pushed, they will do it. However, for 1300 guys it has been become, "if we lose this one, we may as pack up and go home".. and that's what some are about to do.
I valued the interchange between Dismayed and yourself. I may not agree with some of your views, however I join with you in that this matter can only be settled by reasoned debate, understanding and compromise...You seem able to do all 3, lets hope others do so ... and soon!