As Herb has just pointed out, there is only ONE path to achieving a PROPER set of working conditions and renumeration. ONLY the credible threat of work stoppage (the 3 s's...Strike,Sick,Solidarity) will have ANY effect on our management. The company has no intention on doing anything other than continue to 'grind' away at our conditions, our respect and our value. Read what Delta has achieved....and do so a few times. Instead of 'hoping' that our management will 'compromise' and 'see sense', resolve to take forceful and determined action when the AOA announces that the company has refused to provide a 'proper' and 'deserved' package. We have NOTHING but years and years of misery ahead unless we resolve to stand up to this sorry group that is running the airline. Ask yourselves; What are you, your family and your professional career worth? I firmly believe we are worth at least the same as those pilots at Delta and other world class airlines. It is worth noting that with their new contract, a Delta 737 (!) Captain will make more than a Senior A-scaler at CX (about 75% more when pension benefits are included...!!). How much longer are we willing to see our careers, and our families security undermined and eventually put at great financial risk. Come retirement, we will all bitterly regret not standing up NOW.... Don't live a life of subservience to corrupt and venal men such as our present management. KB is 'getting by' on only 5 million HKD a year....., not to mention his provident fund. He is doing so on the back of you and your families long-term financial health. Now is the time to restore our careers back to the place they deserve to be. ONLY STOPPING THE JETS WILL ACHIEVE THAT. Heed the call of the AOA in the coming weeks. We must all encourage each other to prepare, and when the time is upon us, act. OCD.