.....once again I weep for my fellow countrymen.... The arguement can be distilled down to one simple fact: do you think that the pilots of United just won a 40% pay increase (744 Captain on an average salary of $400000 USD/year....and never mind the pension benefits) because the management thought they were a bunch of great guys...? No, they acheived it because they held the feet of management to the fire.....and they ALL (yes, even their C & T personnel) remained a united group until they achieved their aim. An Aussie mate recently joined management (BK), and I have to ask myself......didn't he just join the very group who pushed through a paycut that also affected him....?? What madness is that? Gentlemen, we are all aboard the Titanic.....and we are worrying about what suit to wear for tonights ball, as the lower decks are filling with water..... Wake Up indeed...!!! Keep up the pressure of CC......and the operation will collapse. It is only through a complete collapse of this airlines function, that we will see this management discredited and then swept out. WITHOUT THAT HAPPENING, WE WILL CONTINUE TO SUFFER YEAR AFTER YEAR WITH THIS HOLLOWING OUT OF OUR CAREERS, AND SUFFERING FROM THESE UNLIVABLE ROSTERS. Don't give up the good fight now. They have 12 new aircraft coming next year......and they can't even crew the ones they have now. The writing is on the wall for this lot. Make sure we see this through to it's final act.