I couldn't agree with you more.Did they not read the pay proposal from NR?12 years to command for an s/o just joining and and that is assuming the present 18 months to upgrade which will not last for much longer considering we aren't ordering anymore airplanes so lets say 14-15years to command and that is if you make it thru the 1st try?Another thing NR didn't mention was an increase of housing allowance for s/o's which isn't a big deal when it is only for 18 months but gets a little harder when it is for 3-4 years.Don't fool yourselves it has been that slow before and will be that way again.You should try and and remeber who are trying to improve things for you.NR isn't worried about how long it is going to take for your group to become f/o's as he wants to slow it down further by starting up asian basings which is going to take away even more of those f/o seats for you guys to fill.Think about it!