thanks orac
did the above - it went through deleting a load of files then installed some did a restart and came up as though a full install of windows as above.
even during this the mouse pointer wouldnt move! tried a cordless and 2 with cords all of which i know works
during installation asked for a file for my onboard sound card but couldnt move th pointer t oclick the ok browse or cancel. tried the keyboard and that dont do anything either!i have a green light on keyboard for caps lock being on,but pressing caps lock wont cycle the light same with num lock
this isnt looking good ! all i want to do is get the passwords off then i can get teh data off the disc i need, wipe it and a full install ! i could cry !