Chilli,
Yes, some of what is written in the manuals when it is disected (as in forums like this) shows very large holes in the practical application..............often some of those people try to change things for the better, even when at times it seems like you're pushing sh1t uphill
No Sj1t.
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Shy Thorque,
You have missed my points.
if you are concerned about an alerting service then just call the appropriate en route ATC unit like the rest of us do
That is what we do when we can. However, have you ever had any problem getting through to London info on a sunny summer Sunday Morning when the South of the UK leaves for France. Furthermore, there is no requirement to call anyone while in Class G.........and if that is the choice we make then we miss that oportunity for an alerting service and the only one going to alert anyone is the person awaiting our arrival at destination.
However, if we will transit a zone enroute then provided we don't change our flight plan, we will have to call that zone and as the top reason for suspecting an emergency is failure to call when expected, any ATC unit meeting CAA requirements will be in a position to make that alert if we don't call with 30 minutes of the expected time.
If your "system" of written flight plans for every VFR flight were to be brought into force it would make the job totally impractical. Keep the freedom we have in the UK, get airborne and get on the radio
It isn't "my" system. It is the UK CAA system.
I never said that written flight plans should be required for anything more than they are required already.
Keep the freedoms.......show me where they are written down
Look at it like this;
1. If I am going to stick to my route and transit a zone then as per the AIP, it makes sense to file in advance.
2. If on the otherhand, I intend to simply have a bimble and perchance call for a zone transit then it would be better to simply file an abreviated plan in flight ( again as per the AIP).
In 1 above, I am already known to the ATC system and the ATC unit concerned is responsible for initiating overdue action if I fail to turn up (They have no get out clause because it is in the AIP and MATS 1). I in turn am required to notify any changes to my flight plan to avoid unnecessary overdue action.
In 2, I can't really predict exactly what I am going to do so it would be too cumbersome to file a written plan (although I could but it isn't worth while addressing various zones that may or may not be transited) and because of the random nature of my flight it would be unreasonable to expect ATC to provide any form of alerting other than when I am in contact with that unit.
Thus I hope you can see that I am not trying to change any requirement for flight plans, I am merely trying to make the point that since pilots are legally required to comply with the AIP then ATC should coinsidder themselves under the same legal requirement...........not to mention duty of care.
You still have the opotion to simply call on the radio.
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CaptainFillosan,
If you could counter the argument then perhaps you would have. In the absence of any counter argument you resort to the personal attack. Feel free to say that what the AIP says is wrong.
At least Chilli had the balls to say that!
ATC is there just for your convenience
Close - see the objectives of ATC............all of which are about providing services to flights.
There are only two services provided to every flight regardless of what ATS unit they talk to..........Flight Information and Alerting.
There is only one service provided by ATS units to flights in which they have no contact - Alerting Service.
Are you a brilliant pilot?
I doubt it to.............but I have survived thus far.
As I said previously - 75% of UK pilots can not file a written flight plan without help. A similar percentage of active pilots when asked admitt to not haing read the AIP in the last year................does that not tell the CAA something about the standard of the UK GA pilot?
Let's all take your line.
The AIP and the ANO are far too pedantic.........forget licences and medicals and calling ATC......simply fly for the hell of it.........and see how we get on.
I await the moaning about European regulations when the one sky enforces filed plans for everything above 3000ft!
regards,
DFC