BeechNut
I never intended to intentially spin a PA28, I was merely stating that as the majority of my flying in a PA28 will be 3 or 4 up then I would prefer the majority of my training to be in the same configuration.
I asked the school why I could not be demonstrated slow flight with 4 up (and within the safety envelope), they said it is too dangerous, I said even within the defined safety envelope, they said yes and continued to explain how a PA28 with only 2 up got into an unrecoverable spin and both died. I said so is it too dangerous to fly 2 up in slow flight, they said no. My point is, if the w&b say it is safe to do a certain manouvre with a certain weight then I would like to have it demonstrated, if it is deemed unsafe then the 'envelope' should be narrowed.
This is along the same mentality as taking spin training out of the PPL syllabus. While I hate the thought of getting into a spin I would prefer to experience one under controlled conditions. I have now done this under controlled conditions and can tell you that I would probably NEVER get out of a spin in a Tomahawk if I had never experienced a spin, now, I feel like I would have a bloody good chance but am also more aware of avioding the stall to ensure I never get to the full spin because I know from experience that I would probably have trouble recovering. (I am contemplating aerobatic training this year purely for safety reasons, and maybe a little fun
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I said, what if I get checked out without being demonstrated slow flight fully loaded than take my family (4 of us) up for a flight then for some reason have to fly slow. They said you should not do slow flight with 4 up. I asked so, I can never go below 100kts? err, of course, approach is around 75kts. Can I go no slower than 75kts then? If so, how slow is safe? what does it feel like? etc.
What if my ASI fails, how do I know how safe to fly, by 'feel' they said, but I have never felt this under these circumstances?
We went round in circles as you can imagine. ..
I am a confindent PPL but do not want to pretend I know everything, far from it, if I have any questions (plenty) or doubts (a few) about anything I am happy to pay for instruction rather than just jump in and hope for the best. If an instructor cannot or will not show me when my request is perfectly acceptable and within the safety envelope of the plane then he/she should not be an instructor IMHO.