Sorry chaps, should have said, one is running win98, done a bit more research,adaware reports 2 regkeys that should not be there,as does spybot, both report removing same, but this they do not do, both keys remain in the registry after running both utilities, have tracked them down to the Hikey current user thingy in the registry, but one is a little reluctant to delete stuff from there unless one is 200% certain of what they are.