downwind. It's spooky but you described my career to a tee. I have embraced the glass cockpit and the advantages of the automatics but still hanker for the tricks of the trade from the 200. Many a time I have sat next to a guy that has carefully programed the FMC to be cleared for a short cut approach. Urm how many track miles have I got, what alt should I be.... Just use the DME x 3 etc. Thanks for the tips so far guys. I shall program them into my little black book.