By all means I am happy to discuss this issue with MY mentors, however they seem to support the T&D claim.
Let me point something out, there is one thing in common with both our posts on whinging - BOTH GROUPS WANT AN END RESULT OF MORE MONEY!
Let me quote a recent union newsletter "A Union is a group of people working towards a common goal"
So why are you not supporting T&Ders where as I am pretty sure that all trainees and recently valid ATCOs would support a cliam for more pay scale points for OJTIs.