Funny thing is Kaptain M..........I am not in either camp either, quite happily out of that fraternity and watching in as an investor in many pies, not just in the players mentioned here. I think this gives me a pretty good perspective actually as I still have access to much info. I dont really want to see any side go under, but watching the eccomonics of it all Q has a lot lot more to lose as they operate on a much much thinner line...........time will tell I guess.