Have been away a few days enjoying myself on my offdays... get away from it all as well. Havn't thought this thread to be still on when I come back.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> . .I'd just like to say how I experience it. I do not say it's the truth, but I think in a way there are as many truths as individuals.. .. .I am a junior F/O with LX, on one of the planes likely to desappear quite soon. I have been to the infomeetings by CCP and have heard with astonishement, how those guys have been dropping their weapons, bringing in good ideas and tremendous efforts to achieve a solution. Telling the AP, that we all would fight for their cause, accept a lower salary if only we could find one single contract, i.e. senioritylist for all. Coldbloodedly we have been turned down, being told that the day, when we would all work under the same contract will never dawn.. .. .I cannot accept to take all the risk and blame and lose my job, as I am employed under a valid CLA by a company which was healthy. Now all that's left is a carcasse, with transplants from a zombieSR, a management under severe pressure from the VR making too high concessions to AP at a time they should not have had, and a flight ops chief threatened by heart-problems. Voultures soaring.... .Worst case about it: they propose us a deal so rotten we cannot do anything else but turn it down, but in public there's only talk about the positive sides, and misunderstandings. And in the end it's us who is to blame. Clever strategy.. .. .As it has been said before, I cannot do anything but fight and talk and walk with determined steps, because I believe in certain universal things as justice, trust and fairness. For my personal integrity it is vital not to give in, as I would crumble if I had to. If I'm being forced to do so by my management or anybody else I have trusted and supported, I would have to walk away. I feel very sad, I can understand the political pressure and all, but I despise the circumstances making people take decisions against their inner knowledge of decency and karma.. .. .I have known lots of the SR F/O's dismissed. It's been very tough on them. But they have been able to blame mismanagement, and the collective hatred of the swiss people has supported them.. .For us now, it is our own collegues, people some of us should be capable one day to work together on a flight deck who dig our grave. Even worse, they give us the shovel, put a gun against our head and tell us to dig.. .. .So go and shoot me. I won't dig