Quite agree that this can cause confusion, especially for the non native english speaking crews (maybe I should include the USA here too

). In my view, the descent planning info should be published on the chart. That way we don't need to tell anyone about what to expect, they should already know. I think this approach has been agreed in principle and it should start to appear on the UK STAR charts from now on. It certainly does for GLA and EDI. I'm not sure how far LATCC have got yet with their programme of revised charts though, they do have quite a number to get through
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