Oh Dear. .Northern Sky - I owe you many apologies, I have flown out of LGW for a lot of years and have always prided myself in knowing what goes on - but.. .. .I have just read the Aerad/Thales (small print) for LGW, and yes - I now have to state the SID passing and cleared level after T/O on first contact. . .. .I am very red faced now! . .. .If I had not been a Pprune subsciber then I would still be CRM nightmare (according to one small boy - only joking) Having said all that - there were no CAA AICs on the matter - when did it all change?. .. .Oh and by the way, I now say two hundred and three hundred etc - yet again no AIC.. .. .Never too old to learn.. .. .O.A.F.M.S