LynehamWife - Do not apoogise as you are in the wonderful position of being able to tell it how it is (without some snotty 22 yr old having a go in six months time when it comes to 6000-time). Flip, nice thoughts, I know it got you in trouble when you wore HM's growbag, but still good advice! What a shame that those of us who do actually stand up and get counted on matters of principle (ie refusing to task 'K' hercs into AFG in daylight) are labelled as trouble makers, to be told in no uncertain terms that we will never see S/L. Oh well, bugger it, as my 1st OC Ops told me, better to be a scraggly old Flt Lt with the respect of those who work for you (the SNCOs, crews who do the flying, the TG9 Ops types etc etc etc), than a Wg Cdr or groupy who is hated.