caulfield:. .1. Did you ever have a type-rating on Airbus? If not what the **** are you talking about?. .2. Define "real aircraft" and "real pilot". After WW1 they flew without a trim, without hydraulic servo's, without FMC/FMGS, without pressurisation... Those guys must think you're a real pussy with your 737 no? I've flown F16: 9 G, air combat, air to air refueling, low level, formation flying... It does NOT mean I don't consider any-one who didn't not to be a "real" pilot either.. .I don't know what your frustration is, but please think before you write, real pilot.