Lastcall- I don't know where the post went about firewalling the engines and a bunch of other movie crap went but no I was not refering to either of the posts right before your last. Your a bit quick out of the gate aren't you?
Rockhound - Read the FARs, specifically FAR 25. It plainly says right there that a plane is not out of ground effect according to the FAA until it has reached an altitude equal to it's wingspan.
I never said everybody thought that about ground effect. I said I thought that was my understanding.