And this is exactly why Swan-wick is in such a cra$$y state. Masses of engineer driven design with "ah - but we know what they REALLY want" with little, no, or totally ineffective ATC involvement. Take a look at the VAKO/MEP panels at LATCC to fully understand waht happens when engineers and ATC don't talk to each other. This is occasionally the fault of individual engineers and ATCO's due to the continuing "us and them" attitude. After all, that engineer with a first in electronics is only "TELS" - eh?
Its good to talk...........
