Gently boys, I thought we were all in this together. Which still goes harks back to the original question I had, why is it that the accident rate is no higher, or even less than it is in Europe? Needless to say, we have all had incidents with incompetent pilots. Still it behooves us as professionals to be vigilant (yes, here too). It appears that most of the complaints so far are simply about a lack of experience in the operating environment that you are all talking about.