Rolling C. - we may have disagreed in the past, but I'm absolutely 100% per cent in agreement with you on this!! The poor ex-USA PPLs I've checked had never heard of flight by reference to attitude. 'Lookout, Attitude, Instruments' was a total new dawn to them!! Did you find similar difficulties with an inability to teach Descending 2?? Particularly the difference between descending and descending to a fixed touchdown reference point??