We'll have to agree to differ mate!! And I'm convinced by my SLMG mucker that flying a glide approach in a Spamcan and flying a half-airbrake approach in a glider or SLMG are most emphatically not the same thing!! But if you've got hundreds of Oz miles available in all directions, then I guess things are different to over here in Blighty!! Oh-and I flew a T67 a couple of years ago (useless damn thing it was too - desperately poor roll rate for half-decent aeros!!) which invariably went silent (prop stopped) if the student got lost in the vertical. Always started on pressing the tit - but I certainly always stayed within gliding range of a reasonable aerodrome as I'd never be overconfident enough to assume that the little sod wouldn't let me down when I least expected it to!!