fireflybob, you maybe right in what you say but a student needs to see and control a fully developed stall. It's most likely going to happen on the turn to final or just after takeoff, ie - heavy, lack of climb, raising the nose etc, etc. Have you seen how quickly a relatively 'safe' training aircraft can drop a wing and stall/spin with very little warning. Particularly at high weight/aft CofG. A least they might not crap themselves if it happened. Yes prevention is better than cure. But the best form of defense is to know what it is your defending. Also under the JAR Skill Test, there is no requirement to see a incipient spin at the stall. The only stall that is taken back to the full stall is the clean power off case. ****** all happens in most training aircraft. The other stalls are recovered at the approach to the stall. So maybe current UK instucting as you see it may change towards this. I hope not. Gives students a lot of confidence to be able to control a fully developed stall and develops the respect that it deserves.