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Old 5th February 2001 | 05:06
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NIMBUS
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Hey BEagle,
When one of your students seems to misunderstand something you explained, do you make the same kind of arrogant and condescending remarks?
This particular ‘Johnny foreigner’ is quite familiar with the English language.

My point, should YOU choose to comprehend it, is that a pilot with only minimal training, in other words, an IMC rating, has no business in a cloud, regardless of what kind of airspace it's in! Nit-pick over the legal definitions of controlled or uncontrolled airspace, and what you may or may not do, all you want to, but the fact remains, it IS dangerous!

To quote from YOUR previous posts…

<<..if you're just going from A to B (remaining outside controlled airspace), even if you think that you'll need to fly in a bit of IMC en-route (at which point you'll be flying IFR), you don't need to file any sort of flight plan in the UK! No flight plan needed just to climb up through a bit of cloud to VMC on top!!..>>
That implies you can go up through a layer, fly through EN-ROUTE CLOUDS, and get down again without an IFR rating. (You were, after all, referring to an IMC rating!)

<<..to anyone brought up under the FAA system, the freedom of flight without a Flight Plan may seem utterly alien, but that's the way it is in the UK..>>
Even you, with your often expressed ‘British-is-Best’ attitude, have to admit that freedom to fly in the US is far greater than in the UK or Europe!

<<..I vehemently disagree with the ridiculous idea of flying in IMC without any radar service, unless in a controlled environment on a procedural clearance. That is positively inviting disaster ANYWHERE in the UK these days..>>
That is the point I was making. Nobody should be allowed into IMC without clearance from ATC, which means a flight plan of some kind. Don’t nit-pick about uncontrolled space, or all the elements of a flight plan, please! If ATC knows your route, you don’t NEED radar service ALL the time. The interior of a cloud should automatically become controlled airspace, anyway.

<<..Flight Information Service is NOT a suitable alternative in IMC, in my view, because in the UK you may not be talking to someone who can see you on the screen. The selection of the appropriate type of service is taught to all PPL students (which makes re-training those who learned to fly at a US flight school important..>>
Again, that was also my point (except for the jab at the "johnny foreigner’s"!)

I fully understand all the points you, and others, made about the airspace!