BusyB, as usual you take two subjects and tenuously link them with no logical thought involved. Your first subject was, as usual, to attack me. I am strongly of the opinion that our middle level managers in FOPS are trying very hard to be liberal. I also find it difficult to understand what you object to in, "all we ask for is understanding from our Bosses and a fair hearing". Then in your second you launch into a rather confusing paragraph concerning communication, newspapers and the like. I do agree that when incidents have been thoroughly investigated the results should be made common knowledge to all aircrew in the company. I believe we have seen a large improvement in this area recently. As to paranoia? I let your fingers do the talking on that score. But let us get one thing clear for the readers. There have been NO KANGAROO COURTS. Do you seriously believe that a professional aviator would not expect to be punished after making a serious blunder? As to not telling anyone of the error - well thankfully those days are long past.