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Old 17th September 2004 | 07:59
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Milt
 
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Oktas 8 SR71 ft and the tally sheet.

Have you had another look at your post Oktas8 ? Is that OK True Air Speed 8 or heavily overcast, the reverse of CAVU.

Don't want to embarrass you but this is a very good example of why so many get into trouble when presented with a sudden engine failure on a multi.

Even Milt will admit to some milliseconds of confusion until the direction of swing and the instruments tell him which side it's stopped happening It's not instinctive enough to provide for an automatic reflex. And that is after a lifetime of pushing and pulling all those levers. Do I see a lot of heads nodding?

One night I was in the left seat of a Gooney Bird with another very experienced operator in the right. We were determining the power settings to use on an engine which equated to one with its prop feathered for conditions soon after take off. Just after lift off and according to a pre brief I called 'Now" for a close down of the R engine. A Mixture control was pulled into cut off and the R prop feathering activated. Quite quickly I was engineless. A quick smack of the offending hand removed it from the LEFT mixture control which was rapidly reset to Rich to the accompaniement of the left engine going through some overspeed before the prop governor clawed back the revs. Incidently the power settings turned out to be close to 15 inches and 2,000 RPM.

So much room for error in this area.

That's why the TPs allow a 2 seconds do nothing delay in the determination of Vmcg and Vmca.

Oktas8 - I am back with you.

Come fly with me again in that twin and we'll do it more slowly.

We have climbed to a safe height, closed down the left engine and allowed the aircraft to yaw hard left to discover that the angle of Right sideslip is excessive and the rudder has trailed over to left foot. It is holding but we can't leave it like that. There is not enough tail sideforce to the left being produced to get us pointing in the direction close to where we want to go and all of that sideslip is giving us unbalanced lift from the wings so we have to hold level with a fair bit of aileron. Let us unscamble this a bit by helping the tail to do its job by pushing in some R foot rudder. Now we have given the tail some help and we have reduced the angle of RIGHT sideslip down to a lower angle so that we are now flying about 2/3 degrees Right of where the aircraft is pointing.

So you now go and change your plus to minus or explain some more where I might have goofed. It wouldn't be the first time!!

Oh and you'll have to be more specific with your last para. You have forces going every which way and can't get my mind around them.

Carelessness or wind -up? I must admit to a bit of wind up for a while when the directions of some of the functions/forces with the first flight in the twin but no-one picked it so after a couple of days I did an edit. I now see that SR71 was on to it.

Further responses pending to ft and welcome aboard Keith.Williams

Smooth landings.

Last edited by Milt; 18th September 2004 at 09:25.
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