Your 'simple concerning question' was couched in a flippant and insensitive fashion. The incidents you mentioned have been very thoroughly investigated. There are lessons there for us all. No one is 'downplaying' the seriousness of these two, maybe three somewhat similar occurrences. And no one is brushing (sic) them under the carpet. Suffice it to say that the term "monitoring" is now high on the HF agenda at CX. By the by, when we make mistakes as aircrew and like men own up to the dread deed, all we ask for is understanding from our Bosses and a fair hearing. From our flying peers we expect understanding and a little loyalty.