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Old 8th September 2004 | 04:52
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bsevenfour
 
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I feel I must respond to your post. The summaries you have of the design philosphies of both Airbus and Boeing are indeed as you indicate gross simplifications.

Boeing argues for a design philosophy that the crew always know better and must remain in control – do something at all cost (my gross simplification).
This is untrue. If this were their design philosophy that the crew always know better why would they have put any protections at all on their 777fbw system.



Whereas Airbus accommodates crew error, yet does not remove the overall command and control from them (again my simplification).
Again I believe untrue. As far as accommodating crew error you later through your own admission acknowledge this not to be the case

If you play with matches even in a fireproof house you can get burnt.
As far as the later part of your statement I believe it does remove command and control from the crew under certain circumstances and I believe the Habsheim incident is a perfect example. You write



If any aircraft makes a fly past at a power setting so that airspeed will decrease and if the crew do not add power the aircraft may stall or it will have to descend at constant (minimum) speed. If the crew fails to add power at low altitude, the aircraft is likely to crash whatever the control system design may be.
Given the scenario I agree with the bit in bold 100%. But it seems that for the Airbus control system design under certain cicumstances the all seeing computer working behind the scenes believes this not to be the case (hence the disconnect I mentioned between pilot and aircraft) This is borne out by the posting of Phoenix_X, who on his profile I noticed has flown the Airbus. He writes



If they had pushed the thrust levers forward instead of waiting for the aircraft to add thrust, nothing would've happened.
Now let me describe what would have happened on a 777. If they were doing a low fly-by below 100ft letting the speed come back to the stall. They firstly would have got warnings of the low airspeed situation. If they continued to let the speed bleed off the autothrust would 'wake-up' and try to regain the airspeed. Now lets take the worst case scenario where the autothrust system was switched off at any stage if they had pushed the thrust levers forward manually they would have got increased thrust. All completely intuitive.
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