Right, breakfast sorted (on nights 'till wed, just got up) and read all this. I think Mike and Takeabreak have made their points and should, if they want to continue this do so via PM, not, on this forum as pointed out by many others, and indeed as takeabreak pointed out.
There will be some home truths about what has been written so there will always be the inevitable round-and-round we go like what we have seen above.
I really don't want to lock this thread, but I will if there are any more posts that just go around and around as I believe, things like this should not be displayed in a public forum.
I am off to work soon and I hope to return to this thread in the morning without any more input like what we have seen over the last day or so.