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Old 24th Aug 2004, 08:23
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Kaptin M
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Quite intuitive, TNO as a matter of fact today is a "blank" day (the same as the old "grey days), and yesterday was "standby" - the equivalent of "Reserve" in pre-dispute AN - but became a duty day because of the disruption the wx caused to the flight schedules.
Oddly enough this airline still has pilots doing standby/reserve whereas the "New Ansett" didn't find that necessary, which only adds more fuel to the fire that post '89 AN management were so far out of touch with reality as far as airline ops were concerned, in their determination to PROVE that pilots were just as dispensable as all other employees, that they were willing to reward the pilots with excessively high incentives to go to work at short notice.
Yes, post-'89 Ansett did NOT have "reserve" days, and post-'89 Ansett is, no more!

I have not intentionally attempted to cloud any issues, TNO - the fact that 1 or 2 of the pilot reps told you that the claim was not negotiable flies in the face of REALITY, and the decades of previous contract negotiations held between the companies and the Federation.
What else would you have expected the guys to have told you?
"Well we're hitting them with 29.47%, but in fact we'll take 10%", knowing that word would quickly leak back to B.S HQ.

Had we all been as greedy as you try to make out we were, don't you think we would have grabbed the new contracts with both hands when they were offered?
That was what Abeles & Murdoch were counting on - that "every man has his price", and that for the obscene $$$'s offered in the new contracts, we would desert the AFAP in droves.
Do you not find it somewhat puzzling, TNO, that the vast majority of '89 pilots remained fully financial members of the AFAP (as elektra indicates, and as am I) until today, in spite of the fact that most outsiders consider it was our union that cost us our jobs?
I'd bet London to a brick that it (the AFAP) doesn't profess the power it once believed it wielded!
Pilots never saw the Federation as an industrially strong union - after all, the strength of any union comes from the resolve of its members, when put to the test...something the entire airline group membership had never before been asked to do as a united group. The AFAP had been successful in improving Australian pilot conditions, because of the depth of knowledge within its individual membership, and because of its flexibility in negotiations.
Can you HONESTLY say that Australian domestic airline pilots today enjoy the same (good) employer-employee relationships that they enjoyed pre-'89?
...(the AFAP) did go some way to enhancing the power-base of the anti-union brigade
IMO, Hawke, Murdoch, Abeles & Kelty (ACTU), together with the "anti-pilot/tallpoppy" syndrome of many people helped achieve that under Hawke's Labor government.
Why then wouldn't a (historically anti-union) Liberal Government further capitalise on the opportunity to deal a heavy body blow to the major union movement, when their main aviation employer was teetering (by not providing financial assistance.).
Are the employment conditions of the ground staff, enjoyed in the airlines that have since replaced Ansett, equal to those enjoyed by the Ansett employees?

It's a big ferris wheel, isn't it TNO!!


[Edit:- "The companies stood some of you down. THis is what is correct."
WRONG again, Ralphie - they rang EVERY single one of us. There may have been a handful who deliberately avoided accepting the call, because they knew what they would be asked...and by a "handful", I mean probably 1/2 a dozen. Even pilots on o/s assignments were advised that upon return to Oz, they would be asked to work outside 9-5.
FYI, Ralph, the names supplied on any scab list that might exist, were - to the best of my knowledge - supplied by (non-pilot) ground staff members employed by the airlines at the time, and who supported the Federation pilots.
If you've got a beef, take it up with them ]

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