But seriously folks...
Both these a/c are very different from the average type of ab initio trainer people learn on theses days.
I've only flown the 'fox and once airborne it was kinsa OK.
History seems to have shown us that lifting off at a low speed can lead to a loss of control especially in a cross wind. This is because the combined aileron/flap system has limited authority at lower speeds.
I guess once pilots learn the trick of coping with this its a doddle.
No-one here would sy a Tiger Moth was a cinch would they?
Sir George Cayley