SASless, we both know how things work. The safety managers sit in their ivory towers and send policy down, and the people out on the platforms, who perceive that their jobs depend on cutting costs at all costs, ignore the policy. Some of the stupidest things anyone has ever tried to get me to do were suggested by employees of a major oil company which boasts about its safety program, and imposes all kinds of things on its contractors. That company's safety program is mostly eyewash, but that will never be admitted. How it's planned in the ivory tower and how it's actually done in the field are very different. Same thing with the company I work for. The safety managers never go out to the bases, they stay at home and think of things that will help them keep their jobs by making it look like they're doing something. I've never met a safety manager who was worth a bucket of warm spit.