Big Tudor (aka "Forever Scotland") I wish I could agree with you, but on this occasion you are most definitely wrong. The sad fact is that MyTravel pilot's are still landing this evening unaware of their fate and being told by ground staff that their base is about to close along with the other facts and figures already on this thread. YOU may have been briefed in Manchester (in whatever postion you hold) but hundreds of pilots and cabin crew found out the first news of their impending redundancy on the radio or TV in the early afternoon or online news sites BEFORE any official company declaration. Various online news items were available before the company had informed employees of their redundancy either by 'phone or via the company website. I can furnish proof if you doubt the veracity of my statement.