i was trying to differentiate between approach speed and Vat. i realise that it is not a good idea for low time students to be taught late changes in speed and configuration. But an approach speed of 65kt is not always suitable if you have been given a straight in approach from 10miles. Its a question of at what distance(height) do you get the aircraft in the landing configuration (full flap, 65 kt). And although students should be taught the standard approach at first is it not also a good idea to teach non-standard, faster approaches aswell in case they ever find themselves needing to land in a hurry?