snigs at least you sound like an instructor.
first problem negligence and liabillity.seen the adverts on tv. had an accident not your fault. read into it, had an accident, probably was my fault but lets try and get some money.
your honour, it was openly known the instructor xyz departed from the syllabus and taught people to actuall stall the aircarft at low level to rectify height and adjust descent while practicing pfls.
its fairly obvious then that this stall accident was caused by the negligence of his instructor.
can you tell me instructor xyz is it considered good avaition practice to purposely stall a/c at low level.
would you agree then that it is in fact extremely dangerous to stall an a/c at low level (you may not but there will be plenty of experts present who will)
after you have read this check out whether you are covered for negligence with your school policy or personal policy, if not put your house in your wifes name!
what you are trying to achieve is reduce ground speed while descending. there are many other ways of doing this which are far safer, such as side slipping or turning.
you also may consider that the human body can take much more forward impact that it can upward impact.
when you teach stalling as an exercise, a lot of you are actually teaching stalling on that particulay a/c in that particular configuration at that particular c of g.
have you ever stopped to think you are actually teaching your student stalling on every particular a.c he/ she will fly on from a cessna to a 747.
you may be teaching a slow entry at 1 kt per sec but if your student ever stalls for real will it be a slow entry similar to the one being taught, will he just sit there and say, oh look we are stalling.
remember the trident accident at staines.
the enquiry said;
if after x secs after take off the crew had been asked(and there were 4 on the flight deck!) why dont you recover, they would have replied recover from what?
this is a sentence all instructors should remember when teaching stalling; RECOVER FROM WHAT?
the crew did not understand that the a/c was stalling and seconds later they and all their passengers were dead.
these were 4 proffesional pilots two of whom had been through hamble.
my point is that actually stalling and teaching stalling can be two very different matters. therefore encouraging anyone to stall intentionly at low level would be total madness and totally iresponsible.
when you teach stalling you should teach and drive home the point;
to day we are stalling the a/c correctly loaded and balanced, on this particualr a/c on this particular day and with this particular entry and speed this is what happened. on another day or on another a/c the results may be entirely different.
we have been on stalling here before and discussed always applying full power to recover, so let me run this one by you.
many years ago i was doing a stalling exercise with a student and i asked him to enter a stall with power on and full up elevator. this he dutifully did, when he went to recover the control column would not budge, it was locked in the full aft position. full power wasnt much good to us in fact i had to stop him from continually trying to apply full power.
how would your student fare on a forced landing with full up elevator locked on, not very well i would think so perhaps best not to go there i think!
Last edited by whatunion; 14th June 2004 at 13:44.