stillalbatross, yip - Lockheed built a good widebody. However the fact remains that Airbus suck. Thank god the chaps at Air NZ saw past the french discount and went for the real deal. The bean counters will of course be happy in the long run when the properly built aircraft save them sh#tloads on maintanance. It's unfortunate the fleet has already been tarnished with 320s, perhaps a lesson will be learned.