Thanks for the replies everyone I appreciate them
I didn't ask for it to be easy just more useful than patience testing still this won't get it done will it?
I'm off to pull my finger out and put my head back in my books so I can move on to the next stage as suggested
may we all deservedly enjoy propping the bar up in Jersey or Philli for that matter( on our day off of course) sometime in the future
P in S