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Old 8th Mar 2004, 23:42
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Capcom
 
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Danger 2b is bad enough, 2c is madness

druglord
what are you getting your knickers in a knot for?
Thankyou for your concern. In the spirit of transpacific courtesy and as a show of return goodwill I must ask:-

How is your flap setting ol' darling?

The ‘configuration’ and/or ‘angle of attack’ of said undergarments ain’t the cause of my discomfort! Have you read the previous posts?……… Dude, it ain’t difficult to follow!
Procedural separation provides no guarantee that pilots are abiding by controllers instructions,
True enough! How often do Oz Pilots stuff it up in a procedural environment? Not very often!. Outside ATC Visual range, if the pilot stuffs up, then ‘TCAS’ and ‘See and Avoid” (The secondary and last lines of defence) come into play. In short:

What we had previously in terminal airspace (Proc C over D) was:-

- Clearances and Procedural Separation/Segregation IFR/IFR and VFR (TCAS and ‘See and Avoid’ were emergency last lines of defence against the rare stuff up)

What we have now in terminal airspace (Proc E over D) is:-

- Clearances and Procedural Separation/Segregation IFR/IFR whilst VFR blast over/under and through climbing and descending IFR B100 (TCAS and ‘See and Avoid’ are the only line of defence ).

LESS EFFICIENT, LESS SAFE and for no cost or safety benefit!

but I think a guy in the tower could observe deviations.
Yep, visual separation/segregation/monitoring within 10-15nm with Bino’s in good VMC, yet another defence. Not the only one though! (See previous post)

There are many IFR aircraft in OZ without TCAS and many GA VFR aircraft with questionable Mode C Alt Encoders. Fact!
What does a map have to do with it? Have you seen a US sectional? It's got a tonne of info on it, maybe too much.
Lots!, Yep! and Yep!

Down here, largely because of the lack of Radar and since “dickspace” was introduced, VFR have to basically guess which frequency is most appropriate to monitor for the IFR and VFR traffic that is going to mow them down.
VFR are actively discouraged from broadcasting their position information!
Maps are only as useful as the information contained therein. ****eloads of IFR stuff is 4/5ths of farkall use to a VFR pilot overflying a D zone at A055 in E if critical information is omitted!
Stupid and Dangerous Un-alerted See and best of luck attempting to avoid

I have taken the time to explain the problems AGAIN, are we reading from the same page yet?, or do I need to change the undergarment and become really wound up and nasty?

Last edited by Capcom; 8th Mar 2004 at 23:55.
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