Originally Posted by
Lonewolf_50
I was alive in 1979. Were you?
Iran's clients all over the Middle East do this crap as part of their anti Western, anti Israel effort. It is a matter of policy and practice.
Look up 'axis of resistance' for further detail on terrorism as a policy...since about 1979.
Don't let your distaste for the current, ill-advised decision to start this war in the Persian Gulf blind you to the hard reality of what the regime in Iran habitually does, and has for almost 50 years.
Or, you can be an apologist and make excuses for them.
Your call.
As to PH and DJT's various utterances: if you think that hypberbole is truth, that's on you. I can't help you there.
There is probably not a big fan club of the big A and his regime in general on this forum, or outside of the 5m Iranians that benefit from having a repressive and brutal regime. Would imagine that Airscotia is not an avid fan of Iran. What he says is still reasonable, 2 Wongs don't make a White, future generations, (if they occur which seems to be more in question today than it was when you and I were off chasing ballistic subs, in the Cold War) will have the opportunity to consider the ethics and legality of this bit of our history. The enthusiasm to normalise Putins crimes seems to play into the whole question of morality.
An agreement flawed or not, existed for a brief moment in time and the effectiveness of that has been condemned by the team that have brought the termination of that agreement, and then during the next set of negotiations decided that tipping over the commode was a brilliant plan. That takes us to today, where we have no agreement at all, one seriously irritated son of the Ayatollah who was plinked along with a substantial amount of his direct family, in an undeclared use of military force, which used to be the common definition of war, undeclared. Continuing to be morally outraged by the day of infamy back before xmas of 1941 seems to be insincere given the attacks that are done routinely as foreign policy today. Iran doesn't make it easy to like their government, but it appears to be a common trait.
So, no agreement, no likelihood of an agreement, a critical global trade route terminated, allies rather annoyed with those that thought this was a brilliant plan, and with the continued ue of boorish tactics with those same allies, a withdrawal of support that complicates the logistics of any substantive action by the US military short of using ballistic missiles and cruise missiles. At least they are cheap.
Originally Posted by
Lonewolf_50
For BonnieLass:
Yes, the sailors and their families didn't ask for this, but this is the crap sandwich they get to eat for a while.
Stinks, no matter how you look at it.
If they scrape the poop of those sandwiches, the crews out in the IO right now would probably be appreciative, would be better than their current fare. The DOD gets to feed Hegseth caviar and lobster tails, the sailors get food that any self respecting Labrador would decline.
A suggested
action plan wish list is to:
- Take care of your own troops, they can vote.
- Be polite even with heads of state in the US allies, like MBS etc, they may be homicidal, (allegedly) but they have feelings.
- Send the clowns to the circus, and use actual diplomats if they are still anywhere to be found, to go and have a chat with Iran, they may not have all the cards, but the US is holding the aforementioned crap sandwich.