..uh, firewall....how exactly did I 'insult' him...? and as for 'rhetoric', your post basically confirmed the very issues I raised. My only 'personal' comment that I directed to Fat Eric was that if he thought the DHL job was reasonable, then perhaps he needs a different profession. I stand by that comment, and it wasn't intended as an insult. If we REALLY want to protect our profession, perhaps those who are willing to sell it short should be forced out....one way or the other....just as other professional groups do I might add.